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Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:16:00 - [1] Originally by: DB Preacher Sort out your alliance and start trying in this war or you may as well pack up and go back to empire and play the game on easy mode. Funy because I would have thought that joining the most powerful and organised alliance in the game where everyone has over 25m SP, is a decent fighter and a dedicated player was playing the game on easy mode as no-one can give you any kind of real challenge?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:53:00 - [2] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/11/2006 14:28:41 Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: DB Preacher Sort out your alliance and start trying in this war or you may as well pack up and go back to empire and play the game on easy mode. Funy because I would have thought that joining the most powerful and organised alliance in the game where everyone has over 25m SP, is a decent fighter and a dedicated player was playing the game on easy mode as no-one can give you any kind of real challenge? Only people who have never been in BoB say that being in BoB is playing on easy mode. Playing on easy mode is sitting logging in a couple of times a week to check your skills, the market, do a little bit of npcing and mining and generally taking it easy. We don't take things easy, we play this game to win. You can't do that by taking things easy. BoB did not suddenly spring up into what it is today, it took alot of hard work. We will only continue to be number 1 if that hard work continues. Like I said in the op, ASCN needs to look at itself, each and every member and decide if they want to stand up and do what it takes to beat us. For those that started bob i bet it was a real challenge, but for all the newcomers it is playing on easy/i-win mode. Log in, follow orders, score loads of kills against less well equipped/organised opponents, log out - what is hard about that? When was the last time BoB felt any fear of defeat or a real challenge? Not in the last couple of years I bet.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Kathar Narka reply Thanks for the excellent reply Kathar, very well put.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.30 18:07:00 - [4] Originally by: ProphetGuru attitude>sp Those deluding themselves into believing BoB has no low sp char's are looking for yet another excuse for poor performance. If you actually read my original post I said high SP characters that were experienced and dedicated players. Take away the dedication and experience and high SP means nothing, I fully agree. But an experienced and dedicated character with 25m+ SP is more use than the same person with less SP simply because they are less able to use T2 mods.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 09:57:00 - [5] Originally by: ProphetGuru Edited by: ProphetGuru on 30/11/2006 18:21:00 Originally by: Evelyn Exe But an experienced and dedicated character with 25m+ SP is more use than the same person with less SP simply because they are less able to use T2 mods. This is where you fail. Look, I certainly understand the logic of your argument, don't mis-interpet me. I just see it fundamentally different. The point is, the mindset of applying usefullness to someone in your alliance based on anything other then the attitude and personality of said person is the difference between us and you. I place my isk on 1yr old BoB chars over a 3yr old xyz char, because they have killer instinct, and know that they already outclass xyz just by being BoB. It's part of what makes us better then you. It's a big part of the reason you are losing, and will continue to lose your space. edit-format So which would you take, a "BoB" person with 5m SP or a "BoB" person with 30m SP? You would take the latter because they are more flexible and because the greater number of SP wuold tend to suggest that they would haev more experience of the game and be moer self reliant in terms of isk and isk generating ability. That is pretty much what I said, it is you trying to mis-interpret me by trying to make this into an argument about attitude and SP. As for the "better" bit, well OK, I admit that you are better at playing this specific video game than the average person.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 01/12/2006 18:00:44 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 01/12/2006 10:47:42 Originally by: Evelyn Exe So which would you take, a "BoB" person with 5m SP or a "BoB" person with 30m SP? You would take the latter because they are more flexible and because the greater number of SP wuold tend to suggest that they would haev more experience of the game and be moer self reliant in terms of isk and isk generating ability. No. We would take the guy who fits in best with our ethos. If we were only based on sp or looked to get the best sp players then we would miss out on some of the best players in the game. I'm sorry but you are wrong, RKK have never based recruitment on how many sp a player has got. If that were the case then we wouldn't have laughed off some of the peeps asking to join us just because they had 30m+ sp. SP can be trained in this game over time but there as some human skills that are simply unique. I don't know why you are arguing this point, perhaps you are looking for more excuses for you alliances failings. You obviously have no clue about how we hire or how we play together as an alliance and are just saying stuff randomly based on your baised opinion of our alliance. Either way, on this point, you are completely and utterly incorrect. dbp No, I am not. If it was the same person behind it but he had a character with 30m SP and one with 5m you would take the character with 30m SP because he is more flexible in terms of ships and mods he can use. Why is there such an issue with agreeing with this? The point I made way back when in this thread was that BoB consists largely of experienced, high SP players that are decent pvpers and dedicated players. This is a fact. Most BoB members I look at doing show info are 2+ year characters. So what? There is nothing wrong with this and just shows BoB can attract and retain the better players. I am saying you have a large core of experienced, dedicated high SP characters in your alliance? Seriously, where is the flame in this statement? Where is the put down? What are you arguing about other than the apparent need to argue? Is dedication > SP? Yes. Is skill > SP? Yes. Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.02 02:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Evelyn Exe Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes. You should be a teacher or something. Yes you wouldnt think that you would need to spell things out in such simplistic terms but many people in this thread appear to have been having trouble grasping the point.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.03 02:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 03/12/2006 02:57:23 nvm was just me smacking RF.

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